Physical Intervention Courses

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:33 am

I am about to qualify for my SIA badge and I have heard about physical intervention courses, which run over 4 days. I know these are nothing to do with the SIA, but my question is, are they worth it? And if any of you have actually already done this course, what was it like; what are your feelings about it?

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:15 pm

Hi Lauren,

I can vouch for the MAYBO physical intervention, 5 Days residential training course.

Great fun and very useful. It has to be said that it isn't particularly cheap but it depends on how much you would value, need or actaully use the techniques.

The intensive five-day residential course teaches non-aggressive skills for:
# Avoiding and protecting against assault
# Disengaging from an assailant
# Guiding and escorting
# Holding & restraint

Further details can be found at http://www.maybo.com/faq_sito.shtml

Regards,

Mike.

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:29 pm

Thanks for that; the one I found was a 4 day one for £175, run by www.train4security.co.uk but I'll check this one out; how much is it, roughly?

The info is at http://www.train4security.co.uk/physint.htm I want to know which one is better as I will be taking out a loan to pay for this training.

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the training has a little use and practical application, but as everything recent - it is PC and by a large ineffective.

dont want to burst any bubbles but as someone with many years martial arts training, its still difficult to control/restrain someone using only those skills, outside of a formal ruleset.

the stuff that works is not politically correct and although NOT brutal, its not what will ever be taught, because its not pink and fluffy enough.

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:24 pm

I have to agree with Spooky.

These courses are pretty much a paper qualification and not particularly useful in the "real world".

Like Spooky, I too have an extensive M/A background and agree with his comments about M/A techniques and they will never be taught for the reasons he mentions.
That aside, it takes many years of practice to be efficient (and safe) when using M/A techniques.
However, I do feel that the better of the Physical Intervention courses can be a useful "introduction" and help to boost the confidence of the novice, perhaps even if only one "life-saving" technique is learned.

As with almost anything, a "quick fix" is never a substitute for experience.

Regards all,

Mike.

Posted: Sat Apr 29, 2006 2:28 pm

Ah, OK, thanks. For my own personal safety I am going to resume M/A training at some point but I think I should give this a miss. I heard that it's soon going to be implemented in the Conflict Management module of the SITO (now Skills For Security) course anyway.

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oh great, so we're gonna see people who have only done a train the trainers course, the BS maybo package, now teaching people stuff they themselves only just learned on a BS pink fluffy politically correct course.

Evil or Very Mad

every time i hear the new wonderful idea in the security industry i get a little more hacked off with it. why the f*** do i bother.

sorry. but this (martial arts/fighting systems) and whatnot is a subject close to my heart.

dont even get me started on 'womens self defence courses'

Corsec - ive a document id like to offer to the website, subject to your approval for download to anyone interested, all about brutal, no BS no holds barred self defence/awareness etc.

how might i go about doing this?

Newbie Joined: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Devon

Hello Spooky,

I understand what you are saying, but be honest How much of the maybo training were you doing in your job before you went on the course? that until the trainer brought it to your attention, you didn't realize you were doing it !

The CCM training is all about putting it in a way that you will pass the exam, i.e. the terminology that they use, etc., I have put over 200 staff through this course, some new to the game some been in it for the last twenty years, just running the first scenario in the course tends to make people think a little bit more about what they do! and the amount of comments I have after the course about how much they enjoyed it and learnt.

It's not all wishy washy

And it ain't all about Jap Slapping either!

Posted: Sun May 07, 2006 3:37 pm

Hi all,

Lauren:

Quote:

I heard that it's soon going to be implemented in the Conflict Management module of the SITO (now Skills For Security) course anyway.

Must admit I haven't heard anything about this.
As a training provider, I can't see how Physical Intervention can be implemented in any shape or form into the existing Conflict Management course.
For one, the trainers could not realistically be classed as "Sector Competent" simply by attending yet another "Train the trainer" course.......not in Physical Intervention.
The implications for insurance cover alone would almost certainly negate this.
Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of what is involved in teaching restraint techniques etc would realise these skills are not acquired overnight.

Spooky me old mate,
I echo the sentiments expressed in your posting.

Spooky:

Quote:

Corsec - ive a document id like to offer to the website

Mate, you will have to PM John and arrange to send him the docs to be checked and published provided there are no legal implications.

Regards to all,

Mike.

(As always, the opinions expressed in this posting are my own and do not necessariliy reflect those of the Guild of Security).

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Harry72 wrote:

Hello Spooky,

I understand what you are saying, but be honest How much of the maybo training were you doing in your job before you went on the course? that until the trainer brought it to your attention, you didn't realize you were doing it !

The CCM training is all about putting it in a way that you will pass the exam, i.e. the terminology that they use, etc., I have put over 200 staff through this course, some new to the game some been in it for the last twenty years, just running the first scenario in the course tends to make people think a little bit more about what they do! and the amount of comments I have after the course about how much they enjoyed it and learnt.

It's not all wishy washy

And it ain't all about Jap Slapping either!

from a personal point of view, over the last ten years or more one of my interests has been psychology, cognitive process and human interaction, so there was very little i took away from the maybo course. additional to that the maybo course just puts funky names on things which it tests the student on at the end. wow. brilliant.

thats me of course - but the CM course while it has its benefits, does not cover what happens when you meet up with someone who just wants to fight. irrespective to your blocks to communications, your de escalators and not blocking their escape route or any of the other bits - they just want to fight.

and given that nearly all training currently approved is rooted in political correctness, i have 0 faith in the physical intervention course being of any use. i mean seriously - you ever seen the fuss police officers have trying to restrain people even with numbers & all their kit?

now this course is to 'prepare' your average security officer to sort situations out? i dont think so.

further more with regard the CM training just how do security staff who barely have a grasp of the english language currently have licenses that suggest that understand well enough to pass an exam?

more BS.

Newbie Joined: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Devon

Well Spooky,

to quote you

"further more with regard the CM training just how do security staff who barely have a grasp of the english language currently have licenses that suggest that understand well enough to pass an exam?

more BS."

I can see where you are coming from with that comment, but in my area we don't seem to have many ethnic's I know we had a problem in another area with Gurka's, but we gave them extra English Lessons, I think they sent them to the local college.

Police Dealing with incidents !!

My Father in law was a copper in the 70's and we were talking about this the other day, about how they would be EXPECTED to deal with the incident on there own or with ther partner, Not like today which we see more and more on the TV and out in the street, around Six Officers to deal with one offender, thats with leg restraints and cuffs, plus a bit of CS to add a little flavour.

Lets talk about mindset, with regards to the Job and what it entails !!
Anyone who comes into the Security Industry and does not think they will ever come across aggression is sadly misinformed. If the Trainer is explaining the Job correctly, Retail, Static, RST, again this should show new staff what they may have to deal with, and in some cases, the New staff have dealt with situations before in similar roles they may have had.

So when it comes to the crunch when the new starter has done all he can do, to try and resolve the situation, they either leave or if it's too late, has the person is on them already, then we defend ourselves don't we ! and if that involves us getting a punch in on the person to get them to stop so be it.

And I DO TELL ALL PEOPLE ON THE COURSE, you can learn this CCM has much as you want but at the end of the day if the person wants to hit you he will.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:30 pm

Corsec; I was told this by my trainer when I did my Door Supervisor's course the other week. I was asking my trainer if she thought I should do the course and she said that it was soon to be included in the C.M module. I think I'm best off completing my martial arts training. Not that I plan to pull any of those sorts of moves on people!

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:48 pm

Harry72 wrote:

but at the end of the day if the person wants to hit you he will.

So true.

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

Harry72 wrote:

Well Spooky,

I can see where you are coming from with that comment, but in my area we don't seem to have many ethnic's I know we had a problem in another area with Gurka's, but we gave them extra English Lessons, I think they sent them to the local college.

Police Dealing with incidents !!

My Father in law was a copper in the 70's and we were talking about this the other day, about how they would be EXPECTED to deal with the incident on there own or with ther partner, Not like today which we see more and more on the TV and out in the street, around Six Officers to deal with one offender, thats with leg restraints and cuffs, plus a bit of CS to add a little flavour.

Lets talk about mindset, with regards to the Job and what it entails !!
Anyone who comes into the Security Industry and does not think they will ever come across aggression is sadly misinformed. If the Trainer is explaining the Job correctly, Retail, Static, RST, again this should show new staff what they may have to deal with, and in some cases, the New staff have dealt with situations before in similar roles they may have had.

So when it comes to the crunch when the new starter has done all he can do, to try and resolve the situation, they either leave or if it's too late, has the person is on them already, then we defend ourselves don't we ! and if that involves us getting a punch in on the person to get them to stop so be it.

And I DO TELL ALL PEOPLE ON THE COURSE, you can learn this CCM has much as you want but at the end of the day if the person wants to hit you he will.

ok, no disrespect, i take in what your saying there but i dont see any particular arguement/point?

your points however are valid - but they do not represent the majority of practise in the industry and theres still not getting about the fact that the training is lip service.

getting to the physical intervention stuff - same thing. i beleive in fact, that its going to do more harm than good as students walk off their course with a shiny peice of paper and bruce lee syndrome, get themselves into something funky and try out their new skills...

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:57 pm

Hi Lauren,

Please don't misunderstand me. I totally believe you were given this info.
It's just that we have 3 different awarding bodies we can use to certificate the D/Sups courses we run and have yet to hear anything about PI being included in the current training. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
If it is introduced, I would be very curious as to what format it takes and even more curious as to who is going to teach it Question

I can't help smiling at the thought.... Laughing