in house doorman

Newbie Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 1

I'm currently working in house in a local pub and the land lord has been advised by the police officer who deals with pubwatch that
a) the landlord has to use an agency doorcrew or hold a badge himself
b)that as inhouse I should not have my badge on display (surely an offense in its self)

can anyone confirm (or deny) that the landlord needs a badge to employ inhouse doorcrew

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:29 pm

Hi Big G,

Bit confusing this one, but in short......Yes he does (legislation below).
If your landlord wishes to act as a door supervisor in his own right or employ his own "In house staff" , then he will need a license himself.
Frontline license in the first part. Non frontline for the second.

Regarding your badge:
It is a condition of issue that - "The conditions of the licence state that the card should be displayed, and must not be defaced. The licence number and name do not appear on the reverse. If someone turns their licence around it cannot be confirmed that they are licensed staff and they are in breach of the licence conditions. Contravention of the licence conditions is a criminal offence under section 9(4) of the PSIA."

Now........There are a number of ambiguities regarding "in - house" staff.
This is the law accorcding to the SIA:

You need a Door Supervisors licence if you are responsible for security, protection, screening the suitability of people entering the premises or dealing with conflict in pubs, clubs and other licensed premises open to the public.

The definition of "licensed premises" includes those with:

* Premises licences (issued under the Licensing Act 2003) that authorise the supply of alcohol and / or regulated entertainment
* Temporary event notices (issued under the Licensing Act 2003) that authorise the supply of alcohol and / or regulated entertainment
* Licences of a prescribed description under any prescribed local statutory provision

The definition of "licensed premises" does not include:

* Premises with a club premises certificate issued under the Licensing Act 2003
* Premises authorised for regulated entertainment within the meaning of paragraph 2(1)(a) or (b) of Schedule 1 of the Licensing Act 2003 (plays and films);
* Premises with a licence in effect under Part 2 of the Gaming Act 1968.

Anyone involved in door supervision, whether under contract or employed in-house, needs a licence. This includes employees, managers, supervisors and directors or partners of security companies.

Source:http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home/licensing/door_supervision/licence_who_ds.htm

Your landlord may need a licence (front line or Non frontline) according to the chart below:

Bar/club manager

* Your company employs door supervisors i.e. it pays their wages
* You do not work as a door supervisor
Non-Front Line licence needed

Bar/ club manager

* Your company employs door supervisors i.e. it pays their wages.
* You also work as a door supervisor yourself
Front Line licence needed

Bar/ club manager

* Your company uses contracted in door supervisors provided to you.
* You do not work as a door supervisor
None

Bar/ club manager

* Your company uses an agency that provides door supervisors to you.
* You also work as a door supervisor yourself
Front Line licence needed

Pub landlord/ club owner

* You employ door supervisors i.e. you pay their wages
* You do not work as a door supervisor
Non-Front Line licence needed

Pub landlord/ club owner

* You employ door supervisors i.e. you pay their wages.
* You also work as a door supervisor yourself
Front Line licence needed

Pub landlord/ club owner

* Your company uses contracted in door supervisors provided to you.
* You do not work as a door supervisor
None

Pub landlord/ club owner

* You use an agency that provides door supervisors to you.
* You also work as a door supervisor yourself
Front Line licence needed

Source:http://www.the-sia.org.uk/home/licensing/door_supervision/licence_jobs_ds.htm

A bit confusing Big G but I'm guessing that the section that applies to your landlord is:
Pub landlord/ club owner
* You employ door supervisors i.e. you pay their wages
* You do not work as a door supervisor
Non-Front Line licence needed

The one to watch for yourself and the other lads/lasses on the door is:
Anyone involved in door supervision, whether under contract or employed in-house, needs a licence. This includes employees, managers, supervisors and directors or partners of security companies.

"In-house" means diddly squat......yer still gotta have yer badge!!!

Hope this helps mate.

Stay safe all.

Mike.