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Guild of Security :: View topic - CP Licensing

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Spooky
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:04 am Reply with quote Back to top

Heres what I know:


The CP sector is to be licensed individually.

There is to be a minimum standard of training and this is to be industry standard. From that you can see that this means there will be endorsed certifications floating about.

Without said certifications you wont get a license.

Any outfit issuing the infamous "Company Certificates" will find their courses worthless - hurrah!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 8:14 pm Reply with quote Back to top

that is indeed good news spooky
its about time this happened as well as a uk/international recognised certificate
anycomments

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:19 am Reply with quote Back to top

Chances are though it does not mean any of us will see much of an increase in work oppertunities, due to the fact that the circuit is already overcrowded -though it is a little light at the mo due to Iraq.

That and theres always someone prepared to work for less. Ive heard of people taking on contracts for £80 a day (12 hours).

Maths on that are not good...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 11:06 am Reply with quote Back to top

yes i know spooky

I have heard a number of people say the same but when we eventually get licenced I wonder what the criteria will be for close protection officers
and what qualifications will be reccognised by the SIA

bigyin

ps there is a site 4exforces that have bodyguard jobs on the latest 1 is for bgs & rst teams for the uk at£150 a day but you have to registeron the site it takes 5 mins to do so
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2004 6:49 am Reply with quote Back to top

Get on the site called oracle...there's a couple of good jobs on that one.
or try samurai-warrior.com
They do a good training program on Non-confrontational close protection.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:32 am Reply with quote Back to top

Seems to me a lot of guys are getting confused with PSD training and CP.

I have had a number of people contact me saying they have just come back from Iraq and they feel they dont need to do a CP course or refresher because of this fact.(wrong answer)

Any guys on the circuite here are getting £80 per day for 12 hours because they are doing RST duties.

If they have done a CP course during the last 5 years and have been active CP operatives for the last 3 (who can check that!) would only need to do an exam.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 3:40 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Hi Guys,

Sorry to say this john but you're not entirly correct with your comment...
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If they have done a CP course during the last 5 years and have been active CP operatives for the last 3 (who can check that!) would only need to do an exam.


This comes down to what the instructor feels your experience is and how you perform during the assessment, most would recommend guys taking the Experienced Practitioners 24 hour course, these range from 3 - 5 days in duration, any reputable trainer would suggest this as there is a heavy leaning to the legal sections within the exam ( i know as i have taken and passed it) just coming in and taking the exam is not a good idea as some training providers will not allow you to resit it if you fail without paying for a full 150 hour course.

When looking for a course don't just go on the way the info pack looks or the fact that the instructors are so called Ex-SF. military is totally different to the civi market. Look for a training provider that offers the best education, student assistance, resits with extra tuition and easy payment options as we all know £3000+ is a lot of cash to find.

At the end of the day this is an Education Issue not an Employment Issue, employers are starting to realise this as time goes by, the standard of education will looked at by employers as a more important factor in the recruitment proccess.

hope you all had a great christmas and i wish you all a very prosperous new year.

Best regards and Stay Safe.....

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:41 pm Reply with quote Back to top

SImon,

I felt I must drop you a quick email to agree with your comments and compliment you on your accuracy and honesty within the Guild of Security Uk forum.

As the senior Training Director for Controlled Training Solutions, who have offered a level 4 Diploma in Close Protection and now additionally offer the Edexcel level 3 award which meets SIA criteria.
Your comments are fully in accordance with the awarding body criteria they would need to do the minimum 24 hour refresher plus hold an approved first-aid qualification in order to apply for their SIA licence and gain certification.

Currently only unit 5 of the new award is being moderated externally, I know this as I have just got CTS successfully through the process.

CP is not my specialist security area (CCTV, Door Supervision etc) but managing awards is, plus being an external moderator as well as a trainer it's always good to see best practice highlighted.

Kind Regards,


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:22 pm Reply with quote Back to top

Good to see such a response!

And your points have been noted.this is how a forum should be run!



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