Physical Intervention Courses

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 12:20 pm

I am also looking forward to seeing this. Smile

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 3:11 pm

Any progress with Spooky's publication yet John?

We are all aware about the use of "Reasonable force", but I agree with Spooky. A novice can't learn "Politically Correct" defence techniques in days, but when it comes to saving your own and or others life, then pretty much anything goes (within reason of course).

While I'm here, I was thinking about the proposed First Aid Training so here's a few tips for free........ Wink

FIRST AID FOR NON-MEDICALLY MINDED PERSONS
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Electrocution
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Is he/she still connected to the power supply? If so, SWITCH OFF THE
POWER IMMEDIATELY. Electricity costs an absolute fortune, and it
would be going to waste.
Check the victims pulse, (if you can find their wrist amongst the stack
of charred bones and greasy, bubbling flesh that was once a human
being). And do try not to be squeamish about it.
Drive the victim to the nearest casualty ward. You can use him/her to
jumpstart the engine as well if need be.

Treating burns and scalds
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Run the affected area under a cold tap as soon as possible. (N.B. If
the victims entire body is a swirling mass of flames it may a little
too late for this).
If the victim has spilt hot liquid over his/her clothes, then REMOVE
CLOTHING IMMEDIATELY. You can never tell, the sight of you parading
around naked may cheer them up and take their mind off their injury.
Remind the victim that worse things happen at sea. Cite drowning as
an example.

Fractures and broken limbs
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Check the injured area to see if the break or fracture has resulted in
a tubular shard of shearing white bone jutting outwards through the
bloody mass of flesh. If it has, then tell the victim that they are
going to die. That always puts the wind up them.
Tie a splint to the victims leg and ask them to walk up and down for
a few minutes. They will probably fall down unconscious, making the
rest of your job easier.
Do not move the broken or fractured limb as this may result in an
abnormal position. However, if you're feeling daring, try pointing
legs in the wrong direction, bending wrists through 180 degrees, etc.
It really is amazing the number of fascinating contortions you can
produce. Far better than Play-Doh.

Choking On Food
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Try to dislodge the article blocking the victims windpipe by punching
them hard in the stomach. Do remember to duck before the particles of
food hit you in the eye, however.
Call the waiter and ask for a 20 percent reduction on the bill.
Make a mental note to order soup next time.

Cuts And Wounds
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Dress the wound, whatever that means.
Try and limit the blood loss by tying a tourniquet tightly around the
victims throat unit they experience difficulty in breathing.
Ha ha, only kidding. Tie the tourniquet just above the wound. Just my
little joke.
Stitch up the wound with aluminium wire.
Ha ha! Caught you again! Outsmarted you! Still, I am an expert, you know.

Objects Stuck In The Eye
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Rinse the victims eye in lukewarm water. DO NOT USE SOAP AS WELL, IDIOT.
Offer to pick the object out of the victims eye with your teeth. This
usually results in the object mysteriously "going away" and not bothering
the victim any more before you can get to it.

Concussion
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When the victim comes round, ask them what day it is, who the Prime
Minister is, how many fingers you are holding up. To make it more
difficult, hold the fingers up behind your back. Then tot up the
victims score and send it to me at this address:- Dr. Brain D'Eath,
Concussion Quiz, P.O.Box 312, London, the highest score wins a
mystery prize.
Talk in Swahili to disorientate the victim a bit more. Yes, there's a
whole bundle of laughs when it comes to concussion.
Here's a good one: before the victim comes round, switch of all the
lights. When he/she regains consciousness, shout "Thank God! We thought
you might be dead, or blinded or something.

Rolling Eyes

.........erm "Disclaimer"........ These tips are for use at your own discretion Laughing

Be safe all,

Mike.

Posted: Sat May 27, 2006 7:08 pm

No I have not heard anything from Spooky in a while mate.

Posted: Mon May 29, 2006 1:54 pm

CorSec, I think we should rename you CorSick!! That post was too funny. Laughing

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 9:17 am

Hi Guy's, long time no post....!

A very interesting thread this...... did you know that the NFPS (National Federation of Personal Safety) is the ONLY training provider to offer a nationally recognised qualification in Physical Restraint Practice. This is a Level 2 BTEC qualification awarded through Edexcel.

There have been a number of discussions with the SIA as to making this a required qualification for licence application.

Just thought you would all like to know.....

Keep up the good work guys, i still browse the guild as much as i can though i don't have a lot of time to take part as much as i would like too.

Stay safe.....

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:47 pm

Great to hear from you again Simon.

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:50 pm

nemosis1969 wrote:

A very interesting thread this...... did you know that the NFPS (National Federation of Personal Safety) is the ONLY training provider to offer a nationally recognised qualification in Physical Restraint Practice. This is a Level 2 BTEC qualification awarded through Edexcel.

So this is not the same as the Maybo Physical Intervention, then? Is this one better?

Newbie Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: London

Hi everyone. I've not been around for a while and have missed a lot of very good discussion no doubt. I've read this subject thread with great interest because I've been looking for a safe and sensible PI course for door supervisors and security officers for a long time.

Having read all of these posts I agree totally that in this area a little knowledge is very dangerous. The reason why PI was never included in the SIA training requirement, and never will be I don't think, is because of the potential for litigation if anything goes wrong. Local Councils, the SIA, Training Awarding Bodies and the Government are all frightened to death of it.

For once I agree with the sentiment. The M/As already knoiw that it takes years and constant practice to learn these techniques - not a couple of hours in a classroom situation. People always ask about this type of training because they feel it will keep them safer. More often than not it has made them more prone to danger because they have put themselves in situations they might have dealt with differently, only because they believe they have the means to defend themselves.

The training available, like a lot of other training, is designed to make money for the training organisations without being of particular value to the individual. Before anyone shouts, I know the training industry extremely well having run a training company since 1997.

The BTEC course, by my understanding, is a course endorsed by BTEC. This means that it is not a nationally recognised qualification, only recognised by BTEC. Most of it is theory with very little practical work. The NFPS course and the Train4Security course are the same thing - probably with slightly different delivery methods. MAYBO's is a different course again.

To find out if a course is nationally recognised and therefore a formal qualification, ask the training provider to give you the course Q number. It is a number given by the Qualification Curriculums Authority (QCA for short) to any qualification it approves. QCA is the only body in England and Wales who can approve National qualifications.

I am not trying to burst anyone's bubble here but I believe passionately in training - delivered properly by suitably qualified, experienced and competent trainers. Since regulaqtion came into this industry, all sorts of people are now calling themselves trainers and making some outrageous claims as to the worth of their training courses. I am not casting doubt on any of the contributors here, most of whom may agree with me.

Good training is expensive because there is a lot more too it than standing in front of a group for a few hours. It must be valuable and safe. I know people delivering PI training very cheaply and getting 'disclaimers' signed by candidates. Under H & S rules they're noit worth the paper they're written on. To the best of my knowledge there is no Nationally recognised PI course and no Home Office approval (as claimed on several web sites) for any PI holds, restraints or techniques.

Sorry for my rambling but when people take money under false pretences in the name of my industry it gives us all a bad name. On the positive side, I hope this clarifies things a little for Lauren and other potential PI candidates. Finally - CHECK THE TRAINER'S INSURANCE !!

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 2:37 pm

Thank you for that post; it made informative reading. I think I'd be best off just concentrating on the M/A training and of course using common sense in whatever situations may arise.

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:20 pm

Hello again,

I agree with you A2Z, that is why NFPS went through the QCA process so as to be able to offer some of the very first approved qualifications which have been legally audited and comply with all health & safety legislation.

The level 2 qualification is an actual BTEC award and is vocation specific.

The qualification not only covers the theory side of things but also the practical application of physical restraint to an intermediate level.

The course is now being offered through FE colleges in conjunction with other SIA licence qualification courses.
You are correct in saying that as of yet the SIA has not included any type of PI training for licence applications... this is being discussed at this moment in time and i can see it being introduced sooner rather than later.

if you have any questions please contact me directly.

Best regards to you all and Stay Safe....!

Newbie Joined: Oct 22, 2004 Posts: 8 Location: London

Thanks Simon,

If the course is QCA accredited please can you let me have the Q number. I'd like to see the full specification of the course.

I agree, stay safe.

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 3:36 pm

Hi A2Z,

I will try and get the Qual number as soon as i can for you..... there are also level 3 practitioners courses and a level 3 instructors couse soon to be available.

Regards...

Posted: Wed May 31, 2006 4:09 pm

Hi All,

I have not got the info as yet .... please feel free to go to www.nfps.info for furthe detail in the mean time.

You can email them direct if you prefer, direct the enquiry to Mark Dawes.

Best regards and Stay Safe.....

Simon

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

John_Haywood wrote:

No I have not heard anything from Spooky in a while mate.

i emailed the document to admin@guildofsecurity.co.uk a while back...!

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

Lauren wrote:

Thank you for that post; it made informative reading. I think I'd be best off just concentrating on the M/A training and of course using common sense in whatever situations may arise.

no no no!

martial arts in their classroom forms are about as useful as titties on a fish unless your competant in said form.

let me give you this example, and do in advance accept my apologies for blowing my own trumpet.

a while back when i was still jumping about from martial arts class to martial arts class when i was in an aikido class one time this 2nd dan karate (forget which style) guy comes in giving it large because he was the only other dan grade in the room apart form the instructor.

now ive never graded past orange in any system (many reasons) and so suspecting this guy would have his system stuck in his head i decided to call him up to a little freestyle sparring which did not last too long because as soon as we would start i was on top of him.

problem with martial art systems is they teach you to fight with a set of rules. for example - a boxer has excellent legwork, but no defencive/offencive actions relating to the legs. so i fight someone who i know or is obviously a boxer? im going for his legs, or getting inside his effective punching range and useing my elbows/shoulders/head etc...

competant martial artists are good. people trained to fight in a fighting system such as krav maga or shinsheido (spelling!?) are better.