Physical Intervention Courses

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:15 pm

If it helps, I did the NOCN course, with SITO. Wink

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

CorSec wrote:

Hi Lauren,

Please don't misunderstand me. I totally believe you were given this info.
It's just that we have 3 different awarding bodies we can use to certificate the D/Sups courses we run and have yet to hear anything about PI being included in the current training. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
If it is introduced, I would be very curious as to what format it takes and even more curious as to who is going to teach it Question

I can't help smiling at the thought.... Laughing

well rumour has reached my ears of the appointed persons first aid course is to be a requirement for SG's and DS's licensing within 3 years, so it would not surprise me if this was the case too.

however... where is the expertise going to come from? it CANT come from train the trainers course.. it cant... ...can it...?

anyway like i said, the PI package is a loaded weapon waiting to go off. that small amount of knowledge will see an endemic rise in bruce lee syndrome and many many injured bods.

Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 5:54 pm

Spooky wrote:

where is the expertise going to come from? it CANT come from train the trainers course.. it cant... ...can it...?

God forbid.......there will be compensation claims by the truckload.

Incidentally, I can't see the point of using the "Apponited Persons" course for SG's and D/Sups. An appointed person can't actually perform first aid, they can only call an ambulance and restock the F/A Box.

I can envisage a day when all security operatives have to be F/A trained but this will have to be the full 4 day HSE course to be of any use.
Lets face it.....you will need all the First Aid training you can get to treat all the injuries sustained from the Bruce Lee wannabes on the PI courses Laughing

Laugh......I almost wet meself Shocked

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

CorSec wrote:

Spooky wrote:

where is the expertise going to come from? it CANT come from train the trainers course.. it cant... ...can it...?

God forbid.......there will be compensation claims by the truckload.

Incidentally, I can't see the point of using the "Apponited Persons" course for SG's and D/Sups. An appointed person can't actually perform first aid, they can only call an ambulance and restock the F/A Box.

I can envisage a day when all security operatives have to be F/A trained but this will have to be the full 4 day HSE course to be of any use.
Lets face it.....you will need all the First Aid training you can get to treat all the injuries sustained from the Bruce Lee wannabes on the PI courses Laughing

Laugh......I almost wet meself Shocked

i would laugh if it was not so tragic.

re: the first aid courses - tell the 'experts' who make the decisions that. actually, dont bother, they know best. Rolling Eyes

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 8:52 am

I had it suggested to me (not by my trainer) to do the 4 day course. It's just a matter of money, right now. I think it's a bit OTT for a D/S though. I did a 1 day one a few years back, though.

Forum Addict Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 122

Lauren wrote:

I had it suggested to me (not by my trainer) to do the 4 day course. It's just a matter of money, right now. I think it's a bit OTT for a D/S though. I did a 1 day one a few years back, though.

you think a four day first aid course is over the top for a door supervisor? Shocked

Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 6:06 pm

Great to see some life back in the forums.

Spooky:
Sadly my friend, it would appear that the policy makers, no matter how well their intentions, consistently seem to miss the mark.
You and I both know that a one day F/A course is totally useless.
You and I both know that a short PI course is not only useless...it's potentially dangerous.

Sadly, a great deal of the experience that could be gathered from seasoned Security Operatives appears to be neither sought after or wanted.

Unless you are absolutely 100% certain of your abilities and legal rights, my advice to anyone in a high risk situation is.........leg it.

If you become a victim then you become part of the problem.....you're of no use to anyone.

Are you really paid enough to take a knife in the guts?

Discretion is the better better part of valour.
I'm sure your loved ones would sooner you came home safe and sound than be a dead hero.

Nuff said........soapbox is creaking.

Be safe all.

Mike.

Newbie Joined: Oct 09, 2005 Posts: 5

Spooky wrote:

Lauren wrote:

I had it suggested to me (not by my trainer) to do the 4 day course. It's just a matter of money, right now. I think it's a bit OTT for a D/S though. I did a 1 day one a few years back, though.

you think a four day first aid course is over the top for a door supervisor? Shocked

*falls off chair*

oh well....good luck then....cos that's what you need Lauren if you really think it's OTT! Wink

Mark

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:57 am

Thought this might be a good time to re-post this link.......

http://www.pop-campaign.co.uk/

Just another night on the doors ???

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:22 pm

Mark: I intend to do the 4 day course when I have money; I do think that it's best to be safe than sorry and I want as many qualifications as possible under my belt.

Corsec: I signed the petition.

Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 12:29 pm

Lauren wrote:

Corsec: I signed the petition.

Thanks Lauren Smile

Newbie Joined: Nov 08, 2004 Posts: 11 Location: Devon

Hi Lauren,

Have you tried your Local Tech College they somtimes run FA course at half the price, with the same result at the end of it, For Example our Local st johns & red cross charge about £190 -200 ish to do the 4 day course... the local tech charges £76 all in, not bad hey.

There are other people you can get the ticket from other than Red Cross or St Johns

Basha

Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:05 am

Ooh, does anyone know any in London, then? Very Happy

Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:44 pm

Spooky wrote:

ive a document id like to offer to the website, subject to your approval for download to anyone interested, all about brutal, no BS no holds barred self defence/awareness etc.

how might i go about doing this?

Post a link or email me the doc mate and I'll do the rest.

Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 8:04 am

When you have it sorted John please can you let me know. Wink